1 1 2 STATE OF NEW YORK : COUNTY LEGISLATURE 3 COUNTY OF ONONDAGA 4 ------------------------------------------- 5 In the Matter of 6 LAKEVIEW AMPHITHEATER 7 ------------------------------------------- 8 9 Financial PUBLIC HEARING of the above matter, 10 conducted at the Town of Geddes Town Hall, 1000 11 Woods Road, Solvay, New York before, JOHN F. 12 DRURY, CSR, RPR, Notary Public in and for the 13 State of New York, on October 1, 2014, 6:00 pm. 14 15 LEGISLATORS PRESENT: 16 J. RYAN McMAHON Chairman of Legislature 17 BRIAN F. MAY 1st District 18 JAMES CORL, JR 3rd District JUDITH TASSONE 4th District 19 MICHAEL PLOCHOCKI 6th District DANNY J. LIEDKA 7th District 20 MARGARET A. CHASE 9th District KEVIN A. HOLMQUIST 10th District 21 DAVID H. KNAPP 12th District DEREK SHEPARD, JR 13th District 22 CASEY JORDAN 14th District 23 Debbie Maturo Legislative Clerk 24 Reported By: John F. Drury, CSR, RPR 25 Court Reporter 471-7397 2 1 2 INDEX TO SPEAKERS 3 SPEAKERS PAGES 4 BOB PAPWORTH Syracuse 6 5 JAMES BALENO Solvay 8 6 BYRON SCHLENKER Syracuse 12 7 HUGH KIMBALL Baldwinsville 14 8 ED KURTZ Westvale 15 9 TOM BEZIGIAN Geddes 18 10 JACK RAMSDEN Syracuse 20 11 FRANK MOSES Syracuse 25 12 13 KELLY CARR SMG 30 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 Chairman 2 THE CHAIRMAN: Good evening. I want 3 to thank all of my colleagues for coming 4 out tonight, Supervisor Falcone and the 5 town board members who have so 6 graciously allowed us to use this venue 7 tonight. Thank Deputy Czaplicki in the 8 back there for being here tonight. 9 Tonight's public hearing is on the 10 proposed project for the Amphitheater 11 Project and on a separate piece of 12 legislation the Solvay Revitalization 13 Strategy as well as part of its overall 14 strategy as the west side pump station 15 being reconfigured. So there is three 16 separate pieces of legislation that we 17 may potentially consider at some point. 18 So what we will do is, I will 19 briefly break out the three pieces we 20 spoke about. I know everyone has not 21 been able to go to the budget hearings 22 to see the presentations. We'll then 23 take comments. And at the end if I feel 24 that there is some questions that have 25 been brought to attention, that we have 4 1 Chairman 2 the proper professionals here to answer 3 them, I'll ask them to answer them. So 4 that this is an opportunity to clear the 5 air on any issue that we took. 6 Saying that, the first piece of 7 legislation that we may potentially 8 consider in the month of November is the 9 Amphitheater Project itself. There has 10 been much of it published. Right here 11 we're talking about the finances. There 12 will be potentially a vote on a $49 13 and-a-half million bond. That bond will 14 be paid for from, the debt service on 15 that bond will be paid for by the Oneida 16 Turning Stone Casino gambling money that 17 the County will receive, which it has 18 already started receiving. 19 The second piece is a separate piece 20 of legislation for a $30 million grant 21 received by the State of New York. That 22 the dollar figures for the program are 23 still being worked out, but that would 24 essentially involve the Bridge Street 25 revitalization, Milton Avenue 5 1 Chairman 2 revitalization, business facade 3 improvements on Milton Avenue, 4 residential low interest loans for 5 homeowners, brownfield grant incentives 6 and senior housing grant incentives, as 7 well as incentives for Milton Avenue 8 development. That's the $30 million 9 piece. 10 The $15 million and/or give or take, 11 west side pump station is going to be 12 paid out of the sewer fees. This is a 13 project already on our capital 14 improvement plan. By doing this, this 15 rediverts where wastewater goes. So 16 currently in the Town of Geddes a lot of 17 the BOD, which is essential when you 18 have development, goes out to Seneca 19 Knolls. This project will help divert a 20 lot of that, divert a lot of the BODs 21 from the western side of the County back 22 into Metro. And metro has plenty of 23 capacity for BODs where Seneca Knolls 24 does not. The idea being it frees up 25 Camillus, Warners, Van Buren, Lysander 6 1 Papworth 2 for future development. 3 So those are the three pieces we may 4 actually vote on at some point in 5 November. They're all separate pieces 6 of legislation. At this point we'll go 7 into the public hearing process. I will 8 call somebody by their name and where 9 they live. And if they could come up 10 and right here is the podium to address 11 us. And at that time if they could just 12 keep your remarks to three to four 13 minutes each. If at any point somebody 14 want to come up and make a comment, over 15 here is the clerk and our staff, you can 16 fill out a comment card and they will 17 bring it to me. 18 Saying that let start the evening 19 off with Bob Papworth, 228 Hampton Road, 20 Syracuse, New York. 21 BOB PAPWORTH: Good evening. Last 22 night we were at the Fair Grounds for a 23 more accessible discussion, I won't go 24 into that detail tonight. What I'm 25 going to say has absolutely nothing to 7 1 Papworth 2 do with the amphitheater or the rest of 3 the project that you are considering, 4 won't delay with them or interfere with 5 them at all. 6 I'm here to propose and navigate 7 that the polluted material which is 8 below the amphitheater site be excavated 9 before the amphitheater be built. The 10 reason for that would be to remove it 11 and stockpile it further south than the 12 wastebed 1 to 8 site pending its 13 destruction by a plasma gasification 14 system, which I'm advocating be 15 purchased to do that destruction job. 16 Not only for the wastebed 1 to 8 17 material but also for the polluted 18 materials which come from Ley Creek, 19 upper Ley Creek and the remaining sub 20 sites of the overall Onondaga Lake 21 project. 22 So the excavation project would 23 presumably fall within responsibility of 24 Honeywell to get the material out of the 25 way so that you can go ahead with the 8 1 Baleno 2 amphitheater, if that's what you decide 3 to do. Again, thank you. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Bob. 5 James Baleno, 106 Charles Avenue. 6 JAMES BALENO: Good evening 7 everybody, first of all, is our County 8 Executive here this evening? 9 THE CHAIRMAN: This is a public 10 hearing for the downtown Legislature. 11 JAMES BALENO: I was of the 12 understanding this whole amphitheater 13 was her baby, I was just curious if she 14 was here, that's all. A couple of 15 things I'm concerned about. I live here 16 in the village of Solvay and obviously 17 there is a portion of this looking to 18 revitalize Milton Avenue, Bridge Street, 19 you know, the business facades on Milton 20 Avenue. What happens after that? 21 Because everybody that's going to come 22 to this amphitheater if you build it, 23 where are they going to come through? 24 Right now the village of Solvay 25 here. So are we going to be stuck 9 1 Baleno 2 footing the bills to maintain our 3 streets after you come through or is 4 this going to be a long term, County is 5 going to help us keep this maintained if 6 you build the amphitheater? Because 7 otherwise it's placing an unfair burden 8 on the taxpayers of this village. 9 Because now we have to foot the bill for 10 everybody coming to your amphitheater. 11 Beyond that, this County already has 12 two amazing facilities that are 13 underutilized, and my personal opinion 14 completely mismanaged. We have the 15 OnCenter, which with all the hotel rooms 16 this County has and more coming, could 17 host some really big conventions and 18 bring a lot of money into the County. 19 I have spoken to a few convention 20 people. They said they would love to 21 come to somewhere like Syracuse. We've 22 got 81, we've got 90, that go right 23 through Syracuse, we've got Hancock 24 international airport. These are the 25 things people look for. Yet I haven't 10 1 Baleno 2 seen a single one. We have a ball field, 3 which a few years back we proved you can 4 put a concert, a big concert on that 5 field twice in one year no less and 6 still not destroy that turf. 7 I know for a fact Dave Matthew's 8 band wanted to come back next year; but 9 didn't see him come back. Somebody 10 dropped the ball there. And whether it 11 was the County or the Chiefs, you know, 12 why are we going to add a third facility 13 for this County to mismanage? 14 Realistically speaking we don't need it. 15 I'm glad we're looking at how to 16 improve everything else. I'm thrilled 17 at what we've done with Onondaga Lake. 18 Actually what Honeywell has done with 19 Onondaga Lake. But this County does not 20 need another facility to mismanage. 21 If you want to know where I get my 22 information? I spent 19 years as a 23 volunteer EMT with County parks. The 24 last 10 of those years I was director of 25 operations for the EMS. So I was pretty 11 1 Baleno 2 involved with all the concerts that went 3 on in the stadium, Jamesville Beach, 4 everything else. You know, if we can't 5 manage what we've got why are we going 6 to add to it? It's just going to be an 7 albatross around our neck in the long 8 run. 9 And beyond that, if the Turning 10 Stone goes belly up, I realize that's 11 not a realistic thing, but something 12 happens to that Turning Stone, how are 13 we paying the bill? Is it my tax 14 dollars paying the bill after that? 15 Those are the answers we need. Not just 16 this is going to be a big glorious 17 project that's going to make everything 18 pretty. Pretty doesn't pay the bills 19 unfortunately. Thank you. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks Mr. Baleno. 21 Kelly Carr with SMG, maybe Kelly could 22 share after and help answer some of 23 these questions. Next we have Byron 24 Schlenker. 25 BYRON SCHLENKER: Hi, how are you? 12 1 Schlenker 2 I appreciate the opportunity to talk to 3 you here tonight. My concerns are with 4 the logistics of it as far as the money 5 goes, borrowing $50 million of the 6 County money to build a facility that 7 only two days ago came out that's going 8 to make $196,000 a year; and that's only 9 after five years. So I assume it's 10 going to be a loss before then. That's 11 275 years before you regain your. I 12 just don't feel that the County should 13 be in the position to run a business. 14 I don't think that we shouldn't have 15 an amphitheater there, although 16 personally I don't think it's going to 17 make any money. And it's not going to 18 sustain, just from the venues that we 19 have already. There is a lot of 20 competition. But I just, I don't 21 understand the rush and the hurry to do 22 this and to force it through when only 23 two days ago we got the projections of 24 how much money it would make. 25 I think that it's being pushed too 13 1 Schlenker 2 quickly. And all I know is what I read 3 in the newspaper. And I also hear that 4 part of the revenue or the cost might be 5 shared with the New York State Fair. 6 And I don't know if anybody has spoken 7 to the New York State Fair to see how 8 that's going to work. It's pretty far 9 away to get people back and forth. I 10 mean the Fair right now runs a venue 11 that has a 17,000 seating capacity. And 12 I don't know if anybody has spoken to 13 them about the pitfalls and things like 14 that. 15 I feel like here, we're here to talk 16 to you when I think people should come 17 and ask questions. I just think it's 18 all too fast. I think we have stadiums 19 here that we can do this in. And I 20 think it's going to be a failed venture. 21 But I think that more needs to be looked 22 into that, and I hope you do. I care 23 about the county, I care about my tax 24 dollars, and I don't want to see anybody 25 fail. I would be remiss and if I didn't 14 1 Kimball 2 come here and tell you how I felt. 3 That's why I'm here. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Appreciate it. Hugh 5 Kimball, Baldwinsville, New York. Hugh, 6 good to see you again. 7 HUGH KIMBALL: I'm a little 8 unprepared because I really hoped to 9 learn more than what I've already 10 learned. I think the Solvay/Geddes 11 proposal and the pump station make a lot 12 of sense. I think they're needed. I 13 think that there will be benefits 14 resulting from them. 15 For the amphitheater, I can only 16 suggest that the Legislature insist on 17 detailed reliable numbers and studies, 18 rather than for ticket sales, cost of 19 operation, cost of traffic control as 20 the previous speaker said, the sharing 21 of the parking lot for perhaps even the 22 concerts at the State Fair. How is this 23 all going to work? You need details. 24 That's all I can ask you to do is 25 please, due diligence, do your homework, 15 1 Kurtz 2 thank you. 3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Hugh. 4 Next we have Ed Kurtz. 5 ED KURTZ: Good evening. My 6 situation I like to talk about seems 7 trivial in comparison to the cost 8 factors and so forth. But I want to 9 talk about quality of life that I have. 10 I live at 127 Blackstone Way, which is 11 in Parsons Meadows. It seems to be 12 quite a distance from the Fair. If you 13 took the 695 bypass to the end and 14 looked over where everybody had the 15 above ground swimming pools, that's me. 16 From there, during a normal night at 17 the Fair the Fair saves me on the 18 average of $75 for three tickets. 19 Because I get to enjoy and sing along to 20 the music. This year has been a little 21 better than others. But it is very loud 22 over there. I've got a hill on the one 23 side. Really it's the geography that 24 manages to move the sound along down 25 there. You know, we live with the Fair, 16 1 Kurtz 2 lived with it for a long time. That's 3 never going to change. But this is the 4 opportunity to make sure we don't make 5 the problem any worse. 6 I did some looking at CMAC in 7 Canandaigua and SPAC in Saratoga. Now 8 they average two to three concerts a 9 week at these facilities. Some larger, 10 some smaller. But there are some good 11 size concerts there. If we were for 12 eight weeks times three, let's see, I 13 went to Solvay, 24 concerts, plus maybe 14 another eight for the State Fair, 32 15 concerts in a single summer. 16 And if the sound isn't controlled 17 and the sound isn't adjusted or even 18 moved in some situations, that I think 19 you're really going to diminish a lot of 20 the neighborhoods. This isn't just my 21 neighborhood over in the Westvale area, 22 but it's neighborhoods in Camillus that 23 are across the street, I think it's 24 Eagle Crest is the name of the development 25 over there. It's neighborhoods that are 17 1 Kurtz 2 in Westvale and in the village of 3 Solvay. 4 You know I love to park up there, I 5 go there all the time, it's absolutely 6 wonderful. I hope that this wouldn't do 7 anything as far as closing any of the 8 parks up there. I know they talked 9 about some readjustments with the path 10 and stuff. But that truly is a gem in 11 the County. 12 You know, the other side is great, I 13 love it over there too, but to be up in 14 there and the wildlife that you see, and 15 really it's basic nature up there, there 16 isn't a whole lot of corruption unless 17 you might call it underground. 18 So in looking at it and I'm not 19 arguing whether it belongs there or not, 20 that's not what I'm here for. I'm here 21 for to talk about the sound. If you 22 please take a look at the projection on 23 the amphitheater the way it sets up, it 24 would actually project the sound toward 25 the State Fair grounds and down on 695. 18 1 Bezigian 2 You know, it wouldn't take much to tweak 3 that, move it just a few degrees so that 4 sound went towards Hiawatha Boulevard. 5 And in that way, which is a greater 6 distance, and would diminish over the 7 water. 8 Like I said, that I think that this 9 should be done, because listen, I don't 10 want to be in a position where 10, 20, 11 or 30 days a year that I have to close 12 my windows on summer nights because I 13 can hear that. If I want to hear it 14 I'll go over there. Thank you. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks Ed. Tom 16 Bezigian, Town of Geddes. 17 TOM BEZIGIAN: Good evening, I'm Tom 18 Bezigian, this is my daughter Violet 19 Bezigian. I'm the chairman of the 20 Geddes Republican Committee here, but 21 I'm not here for the Committee today, 22 I'm here as a resident of the Town of 23 Geddes. 24 I'm in favor of all the propositions 25 that we're discussing. You know, as we 19 1 Bezigian 2 look at Allied having left us with a 3 mess that we have and taking the jobs 4 from here, I think it would be deeply 5 gratifying to be able to have projects 6 like this where we can access our 7 natural resources and economic and 8 development resources. And I think a 9 lot of, you know, there is different 10 opinions, but a lot of members of the 11 town that I speak with are very excited 12 about the prospects of these projects 13 and what they can do for our community. 14 I have three young children and 15 we're looking forward to the paths and 16 the opportunity to go to concerts and do 17 things and see all these greet venues 18 occur around us. So I think what is 19 being proposed is a great idea, I'm 20 highly in favor of it, and I know many 21 other people are. And that's all I have 22 got to say. 23 THE CHAIRMAN: We have another 24 speaker? While we have an intermission 25 I want to recognize Mayor Benedetti, I 20 1 Ramsden 2 know that you're here today, as well as 3 trustee Tom Tarolli and Mr. Fall. If I 4 missed anybody else I apologize, any 5 elected officials. Next we have my 6 friend Jack Ramsden. 7 JACK RAMSDEN: Thank you, it's a 8 pleasure to have an opportunity to speak 9 and I appreciate your holding this 10 meeting at 6 o'clock at night to make it 11 a little more convenient for people that 12 have to work during the day. This is my 13 first opportunity I've had to talk to 14 you. I am a resident of Syracuse, and I 15 come to you as a taxpayer. I volunteer 16 in a lot of different groups. I've been 17 involved in a lot of different activity 18 around the Lake clean up. 19 And since I moved back here after 20 being gone for 30 years, to Syracuse, 21 I've been involved in the future of 22 Syracuse. And I really believe that 23 public/private partnerships have made 24 Syracuse better and will continue to 25 make Syracuse better. And I've spoken 21 1 Ramsden 2 to you before about one of those 3 specifically. 4 But I feel that this, especially the 5 amphitheater, the other two, the pump 6 station and the improvements are 7 certainly roles of the County and 8 important projects for the County to 9 take on. But I am troubled by the 10 amphitheater proposal and expressing 11 opposition to it on three grounds. And 12 I'm going to give short shrift to the 13 first two because I think the third one 14 is more important. 15 And the first one is cultural. I 16 think in our relationship with the 17 Onondaga Nation and the Haudenosaunee, 18 the development of one more area around 19 Onondaga Lake as it's getting cleaned up 20 is not helping our relationship with our 21 neighbors. And I think this is a very 22 troubling project to take on, knowing 23 that they're troubled by the fact that 24 it's going on. 25 The second thing is environmental. 22 1 Ramsden 2 And other people will speak to 3 environmental issues, but I think that 4 it's risky to build an amphitheater on a 5 wastebed when remediation of wastebeds 6 in big projects like this are constantly 7 changing. With very little fanfare this 8 summer the DEC and EPA issued a 9 modification to the dredging proposal. 10 And everybody is excited about the 11 dredging and it's going to finish early, 12 be done this year, but they also reduced 13 the area they're going to dredge. 14 Because not made known to us in 2005 15 when they proposed it but it's a threat 16 to the CSX tracks. So they're not going 17 to dredge as close to the shoreline 18 where the CSX tracks are close to the 19 shoreline because there is a threat to 20 their integrity. 21 And I would guess that most people 22 in this room don't even know the DEC 23 made that decision. But it came out in 24 an explanation of a change to the remedy 25 to the Lake bottom. And this is 23 1 Ramsden 2 troubling because you're going to build 3 an amphitheater on a Super Fund site 4 without any idea that down the road as 5 few as five or six years they could find 6 out that there is a problem with that. 7 And then you've got a multi-million 8 dollar structure on an unstable 9 foundation. And not saying it will 10 happen, just like I'm not saying that 11 the amphitheater won't be profitable, 12 but I think it's risky to go forward 13 with this much money and not be sure 14 that this wastebed, it's not million 15 year old geology, these are wastebeds 16 that have been created in the last 150 17 years. And so that's a big risk in my 18 mind. 19 But the real reason I'm against it 20 is financial. If the County or the 21 Governor or the County Executive want to 22 propose an amphitheater and spend tens 23 of millions of dollars, then they need 24 to have some private outcry to do it. 25 And this was a surprise to all of us 24 1 Ramsden 2 when it was proposed. The Governor, 3 Mr. McMahon and the County Executive go 4 to Albany, meet with the Governor, and 5 those folks come back with this proposal 6 to build an amphitheater, which is going 7 to cost us, whether it's bonded or 8 however it's paid for, an awful lot of 9 money. 10 And I think that that's a 11 questionable financial approach to this 12 situation, considering the instability 13 and the cultural conflicts and the fact 14 that if Solvay came to you with an 15 outcry for, we need a 17,000 seat venue, 16 then that would be different. But this 17 was not something the public asked for 18 but the public is certainly going to pay 19 for it. And as a taxpayer in Onondaga 20 County and a hopeful for the future of 21 Onondaga County individual, I'm asking 22 you to not do this. Thank you. 23 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Jack. And we 24 don't have any other speakers so if 25 anyone else wants to sign up. Also the 25 1 Moses 2 town board members Kolakowski and Weber 3 are here. I'll give you an opportunity 4 for some of these issues to be addressed 5 because there is answers to them. I 6 understand that people aren't there and 7 don't get all the information we have 8 but there is answers to a lot of these 9 statements. So after this I'll have 10 some of the people who have been working 11 on this to address these concerns. And 12 then if there is further comments we'll 13 go into that then we're done. 14 Next we have Frank Moses from 15 Syracuse. Good to see you again Frank. 16 FRANK MOSES: Thanks for the 17 opportunity to speak. I'm just going to 18 be brief and reiterate some of the 19 things I said last time I spoke about 20 the amphitheater. But specific to the 21 budget and the finances, if the 22 amphitheater does move forward, we hope 23 that there would be mitigation. 24 My biggest background is a concern 25 with bird conservation. I've seen great 26 1 Moses 2 things happen with the Lake in terms of 3 trying to inspire the community to get 4 involved in birding, get involved in 5 helping restore the habitat through the 6 clean up project through programs like 7 the Onondaga Lake Conservation Corps. 8 When I think about the future of 9 Onondaga Lake I think about how can we 10 sustain that inspired stewardship? And 11 where can that sustainable funds come 12 from? Certainly a lot of apprehension 13 with the impact a project like the size 14 of the amphitheater, that can have a 15 major impact on birds and other 16 wildlife. And so we asked in the past 17 to have a clear sense of what that 18 impact is. 19 But also looking forward, is if 20 there is a possible exploration to look 21 at proceeds from potential concerts and 22 events to go towards the future of the 23 conservation of the Lake as an important 24 bird area, but to maybe protect and 25 enhance other areas as well. And so 27 1 Moses 2 whether it's proceeds on ticket sales, I 3 think I would want to urge the County to 4 explore looking at performers, socially 5 responsible performers that give back to 6 communities, such as the Dave Matthew's 7 band or others like My Morning Jacket, 8 that if they did come they sometimes 9 will look at what's needed in the 10 community. And if funds could go right 11 back to the Lake and be used for the 12 benefit of the conservation of the Lake 13 through ticket sales, through the 14 performers are giving back and possibly 15 even have folks coming through the doors 16 have an opportunity to keep giving 17 beyond what they've already given 18 through ticket sales. 19 Just a few ideas to consider as the 20 finances are being figured out. Really 21 look at, if there is that good feeling 22 if I'm going to go to a concert here, 23 you know, is me being here connected to 24 the Lake, am I giving back to the Lake? 25 And to think about that as an 28 1 Chairman 2 opportunity if the County and community 3 is very serious about pursuing the 4 amphitheater as a project. And that's 5 it, thank you. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Frank. Any 7 other speakers? Just to clarify, on the 8 amphitheater bond, Jack referenced it, 9 so did another speaker, there is no 10 local tax dollars as proposed. So there 11 is a new stream of revenue that the 12 County is getting. Because there was a 13 referendum for gambling in the state 14 because we're in the Oneida Turning 15 Stone Casino region. Every County 16 within that region gets a revenue stream 17 each year because we aren't allowed to 18 have our own casino. So that stream of 19 revenue would go in this proposal to pay 20 off the debt services of $50 million. 21 So that's how that would be paid for. 22 Yes, sir? 23 BYRON SCHLENKER: But that revenue 24 is tax dollars which is given to us. 25 THE CHAIRMAN: It's tax revenues. 29 1 Chairman 2 So it's from that. 3 BYRON SCHLENKER: So it is our 4 County money. 5 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. But what I said 6 was it's no new -- it's new revenue, 7 there will be no existing local dollars. 8 We're not bonding like we normally bond 9 for something. 10 BYRON SCHLENKER: I understand that, 11 but still our money being spent on a 12 gamble and that's my point. Our money 13 being spent on a gamble. That something 14 that is not hazardous now but could be 15 hazardous in the future. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: I won't argue that. 17 But that's how the plan will be paid 18 for. Whether or not you agree with it, 19 that's how it gets paid for. I'll just 20 ask Kelly Carr from SMG, who will be in 21 charge of managing the facility to go 22 over just a -- do you want to go over, 23 there is references to the business 24 plan. There is three speakers, you can 25 either talk to them individually or if 30 1 Carr 2 you want to address it now. But what a 3 2016 season would look like, number of 4 concerts. 5 KELLY CARR: Your preference. 6 THE CHAIRMAN: Why don't you tell us 7 about that. The people are here, you're 8 here, might as well. 9 KELLY CARR: My name is Kelly Carr 10 with SMG, we're with the management 11 company that runs the OnCenter for the 12 County. And again we were asked by our 13 client, the County, to put together a 14 pro forma on a proposed amphitheater 15 based on what we know from other 16 amphitheaters that we run and other 17 amphitheaters within the State of New 18 York. 19 And the P&L summary that we provided 20 to the Legislature on Monday when we 21 met, in 2015 we were talking about one 22 show. That's what we were asked to put 23 in place. And for the first year with 24 the start up we're showing proposed 25 $95,000 loss in year one of the 31 1 Carr 2 amphitheater. Now the next year when we 3 increase and get into more of a full 4 season with a total of approximately 18 5 events, 11 of those being national 6 promoter concerts, we show a profit of 7 50,000. Then it increases over the next 8 five years, 142, in 2017. In 2018, 9 173,000. 2019, about 196,000. 10 Depending on the number of concerts 11 that will go up or down. Also you're 12 going to have potential naming rights, 13 revenues along with sponsorship and 14 advertising. So that's kind of the 15 pro forma that we put together. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Kelly. Any 17 further speakers at this time? All 18 right, we have with us if you want to 19 talk to him after, we have Deputy County 20 Executive Bill Fisher, Deputy County 21 Executive Mary Beth Primo. Kelly Carr. 22 I know there was questions regarding or 23 statements regarding noise mitigation. 24 We have our experts who have actually 25 studied this, Mr. Kurtz over here in the 32 1 Chairman 2 front row so they can maybe help address 3 some of your concerns. So if there is 4 any other comments or questions, please 5 feel free to reach out to me at the 6 Legislature going forward we can get you 7 answers you want. 8 Again, this isn't an item we're 9 voting on in October, there is 10 environmental studies going on now that 11 need to be addressed and completed 12 before we can even consider a vote on 13 it. So saying that, if I see no other 14 comments for the public hearing, this 15 hearing is now closed. Thank you. 16 * * * * 17 C E R T I F I C A T E 18 This is to certify that I am a Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary 19 Public in and for the State of New York, that I attended and reported the above 20 entitled proceedings, that I have compared the foregoing with my original 21 minutes taken therein and that it is a true and correct transcript thereof and 22 all of the proceedings had therein. 23 _______________________ 24 John F. Drury, CSR, RPR 25 Dated: October 3, 2014